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gleowine
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:21 pm    Post subject: Summer Wars (Koi-koi!)  Reply with quote

Well, I wasn't sure what category to post this under, since so many things make it stand out on its own. Still, it should form separate topic, if for nothing more than its exposure (though perhaps in an exaggerated way) of society's increasing dependence on computers and internet, both of which have proven their potential to effect people's lives in both embarrassing and disastrous ways.

First of all, a few passing thoughts on the anime itself:

1. Sorry, but at first I honestly thought Kazma was a girl. Sorry, Kazma!

2. Barbecued squid??? ugh! (I'm American, after all).

3. Finally, a lead anime character who truly loves math.

4. I want that computer! (along with all the accessories; just need to build a walk-in freezer for storing it).

5. Those kids were awesome!

The strongest points by far were the wide diversity of characters and the unstoppable momentum of the story, along with its keeping the setting in one location for almost the entire film. Also, I liked the emphasis on people (family and friends) getting together to eat a common meal, as opposed to each person conveniently popping a frozen dinner in the microwave and calling that "dinner" (I plead guilty!).

Despite being short on realism, the makers of Summer Wars chose to overlook that over-ranked stylization in favor of painting vivid images of the human comedy. I mean, a lot of people really do take themselves way too seriously, and this anime provided the perfect vehicle for exposing the chinks in the armor. Overall, it was one tremendously thrilling roller-coaster ride. And I for one can't wait to give it another spin.

Koi-koi, Hosoda-san!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It definitely is a brilliant movie, especially with the theme of "old and new" layered in so many levels into the film.  

One example: the inclusion of the card game of Hanafuda tying into the plot works so well; this was a card game that was developed in the 17th or so century to get around anti-gambling laws in Japan.  Basically, the game was designed to just look like another card game to a casual observer (I.E., officials enforcing the gambling ban edicts) while there was actual betting going on.  Which makes it very interesting because Nintendo (yes, the video game console company) was founded in 1889 as a producer of Hanafuda cards.  And in the film, you can see many characters playing on game-boy like handheld consoles, products that Nintendo builds and sells today.  And that's just one level of this "old and new" theme that pervades the entire movie.

And yet, you didn't have to know any of that to enjoy the film!  

As a programmer, there are several criticisms in how computers, the internet, and mathematics were depicted.  The major one was the main character "cracking" the codes. Because of how public/private keys and salted-hashing functions work, I know that the human brain isn't capable of the calculations required to break those types of encryption technologies.  Yes, discoveries in some of the algorithms were found that would take a high-end computer from decades to months on brute-force cracking of a complex password, but there's nothing out there that would allow a human to crack it overnight on paper... never mind in minutes. Wink  Unless the creators of Oz are that incompetent, which doesn't seem likely.

Realistically, most hacking attempts go through human-engineering channels; getting the president of a bank's password by tricking him into installing a keylogger, calling customer support and tricking them into thinking you're someone else to reset a password, or even a user with a simple password that's easily guessable (The latter was exactly how Sarah Palin's yahoo email account was hacked; I think she used the city or something where she met her husband as her password!).

That said, how computers work is depicted so much better here than in almost any other movie. And it feels better on how it more-or-less realistically depicts how the math-nerd would get the girl... Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The knight with shining calculator saving the world swinging his loyal slide rule!

I really enjoyed the family aspect of the movie and really wouldn't mind if the characters spent the whole runtime doing family stuff around their historic mansion. Hosoda is really good at making heartwarming stories - and character design makes a big part of the atmosphere.

Strangely enough the second half (with all the in-oz action) left me kind of empty inside though. I wonder why... maybe because it is mainly an easy-to-digest family fun after all? There's nothing wrong with the movie (pacing, characters, story, writing, music) but there's something missing for me to consider it being really great.
Maybe it just passed by too quickly to really enjoy the atmosphere the first half was building...

I remember having a similar problem with Beyond the Clouds - with the contrast of 5cm-like slow monologue driven story and the action packed second part.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've also seen Summer Wars recently and I really liked it, but at the same time I was also a little bit disappointed. Most probably because my expectations were just too high after the brilliant Tokikake (yeah, I own that DVD twice, just had to buy the collector's edition too).

In Hosoda's past works (Digimon ep. 21, Digimon The Movie, Tokikake) I always loved the slow pace and often subtle humor. Summer Wars (especially the second half) was kinda different in these terms. Faster paced and partly a bit over the top. I just couldn't get in it as I did with his other works. But therefor the humor in these scenes was great.

Altogether still an amazing movie. As a big fan of Hanafuda it was cool seeing this game playing a major role in the story. And as zitch has already explained the "hacking" was totally unrealistic and it seemed kinda weird at the beginning, but I think it was a good choice doing something more abstract instead of this pseudo-hacking you see in most movies. Although it almost felt like watching Digimon: Our War Game.

I guess I'll just have to watch the movie again, now that I know what I'll have to expect. Oh, and I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who thought that Kazuma was a girl.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i only watched it recently and i love it!!!! The characters were brilliant. And yeah even if the code breaking was unrealistic i really liked how kenji reached the point were he was breaking the code with no paper and his nose bled. Also did anyone notice the great similarity between makoto from toki wo kakeru shoujo and kenji? Why have the same hero/herione shape in his 2 movies?
The movie was submitted for an oscar this year but didn't make it in the nominations, which i think was really unfortunate, this is one unique movie and seriously what do people see in 'how to train ur dragon' ?? Toy story 3 will win it hands down but summer wars should've been nominated i say.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a big fan of watching anime tv-shows and i had watch many shows of this genre.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bombush wrote:
The knight with shining calculator saving the world swinging his loyal slide rule!

I really enjoyed the family aspect of the movie and really wouldn't mind if the characters spent the whole runtime doing family stuff around their historic mansion. Hosoda is really good at making heartwarming stories - and character design makes a big part of the atmosphere.

Strangely enough the second half (with all the in-oz action) left me kind of empty inside though. I wonder why... maybe because it is mainly an easy-to-digest family fun after all? There's nothing wrong with the movie (pacing, characters, story, writing, music) but there's something missing for me to consider it being really great.
Maybe it just passed by too quickly to really enjoy the atmosphere the first half was building...

I remember having a similar problem with Beyond the Clouds - with the contrast of 5cm-like slow monologue driven story and the action packed second part.


The thread that you have shared with all of us is really good.

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