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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:50 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Subs!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree, subs.  It has a good dub, but it just doesn't quite feel like it has all the emotion that the subs have.
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like ADV is going to do a new release of this in July.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did this film make anyone angry?  I saw it five years ago and still want to shake my fist: there seems to be a clearer moral here than in some other anime...
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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It didnt make me angry, but it did make me feel very anxious.
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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess that whenever I see a movie or read a book where people treat other people that poorly it makes me a little angry.

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It had me loathing war and political conflict even more than usual, but other than that, no I'm not angry at all.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had posted this elsewhere about this movie, but I'll copy-paste it here (with some editing):

The most interesting thing about Grave of the Fireflies, at least what makes it a work of art instead of "another anime" to me, is not really the story or the characters, but the story behind the story and the characters. In other words, the story of Akiyuki Nosaka, the original author of the novel the movie was based on. He was the real-life Seita that caused the death of his little sister in the aftermaths of World War II, and writing "Hotaru no Haka" as a semi-autobiographical novel was his way to atone for that.

From an interview, the director, Isao Takahata, was quite surprised that many people in Japan actually sympathized with Seita. Many people take the movie as an anti-war film, when it really was about the dangers of reckless pride.

Frankly, Seita is rather average 14 year old boy. How many kids at that age think they can actually live on their own? Setsuko was his responsibility. He didn't need his mean old aunt! He's got some money saved up, and they can live on their own!

Which, of course, ends up with the tragedy that's played out on screen. Heck, I, at fourteen, would have probably done no better. I doubt that children during that time period are necessarily any more knowledgeable than today. Keep in mind, Seita was a "military" child. If it wasn't for World War II, he probably would have grown up to be an officer in the Japanese military. He had dreams of being part of the army/navy/air force; having a father in the military probably encouraged that. That means that Seita, at 14 years old, had little idea of how to survive by himself in a time of limited resources and food.

What I observed out of the subtext was that Seita represented the Japanese national pride. Setsuko represented the normal people that are living their day-to-day lives without much knowledge of the war. Some can say that the movie places the blame for the losses in the war on the military leaders of Japan that pushed through this war, not the Americans that bombed them. Much like Seita could have swallowed his pride and accepted his aunt's help (on two separate occaisions), Japan's leaders could have swallowed their pride and not have attacked Pearl Harbor (The Japanese strategists thought they could take down the U.S. military in six months, especially if they could have crippled the U.S. Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor. Unfortunately for Japan, the main fleet wasn't there that day), or they could have surrendered when there was no way out of a loss late in the war, instead of pridefully holding on and getting ready to fight down to the very last man.

By itself, the movie isn't any good for an entertaining evening. But like any great film, the context of how it's played out becomes integral to appreciating it. By that criteria, it is a film that I think should be watched at least once.

And by my opinion, some people's anger at Seita is a correct reaction to the movie, though my own reaction was sadness and pity.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow ... I hadn't quite thought of it that way but it does make sense. All the kid had to do was live with his crappy relatives for a while and he would have at least made it through the worst of it.

Do you think that his evil aunt represents the Government at the time? She always gave the kid a hard time about not working to support the war effort.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think his aunt represents the hardships that would force him to swallow his pride for his and Setsuko's survival. áHeck, I'd even suggest that, ironically, she might actually represent American diplomacy, to some degree. áBasically, live under her rules (accept their terms for surrender). áNot accepting those rules brought hunger, disease, and loss of those who are dear (likewise, not surrendering brought firebombings, and ultimately, the nuclear bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki). á

Though I think I might be going much further with this analysis than Takahata and Nosaka intended. áAnd actually, I think Takahata himself reworked the story to fit the subtext that I found in my previous post (Then again, I've never read the original book; not sure if I really want to either).

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