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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TJM wrote:
Yeah she lost her dear memories, but now that they can actually be together, they can start anew and make many new memories, and promises.


Now to throw a wrench in there, rewatch the scene at the beginning of the movie, which is supposed to have taken place some time after the scene at the end of the movie.  Twisted Evil

Shinkai can be a cruel, cruel storyteller if you pay very close attention...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zitch wrote:
TJM wrote:
Yeah she lost her dear memories, but now that they can actually be together, they can start anew and make many new memories, and promises.


Now to throw a wrench in there, rewatch the scene at the beginning of the movie, which is supposed to have taken place some time after the scene at the end of the movie.  Twisted Evil

Shinkai can be a cruel, cruel storyteller if you pay very close attention...


That scene doesn't really tell us anything concrete though  Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happened? It slipped from my memory and I don't have the film hehe.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It just shows Hiroki going back to the factory and reminiscing about stuff it doesnt really say much...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm ... I didn't know that that was something that was supposed to have occurred after the events at the end of the movie. I had guessed it was something that had happened before he got Sayuri from where she was sleeping ... Hmmm ... I'll definitely need to pay more attention to that again.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zitch wrote:
TJM wrote:
Yeah she lost her dear memories, but now that they can actually be together, they can start anew and make many new memories, and promises.


Now to throw a wrench in there, rewatch the scene at the beginning of the movie, which is supposed to have taken place some time after the scene at the end of the movie.  Twisted Evil

Shinkai can be a cruel, cruel storyteller if you pay very close attention...


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What it implied by the beginning if you take into context of the ending is that there is a possibility Sayuri may be dead. The opening scenes show a matured Hiroki nostalgically visiting the factory, the open pastures; and a past Sayuri runs past him literally and exclaims, "An aeroplane!" and subsequently fading. If Hiroki and Sayuri were reunited at the end, the opening scene suggested that such a reunion was shortlived--even his best friend is absent. We can then take the title at its literal meaning: beyond the clouds a place promised, is an impossibility, a promise that will never be realised.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think that detail was over looked by alot of people, I know I over looked it. The absents of Sayuri means something, it's nothing in stone but what we can get is she is not there.

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zitch wrote:
TJM wrote:
Yeah she lost her dear memories, but now that they can actually be together, they can start anew and make many new memories, and promises.


Now to throw a wrench in there, rewatch the scene at the beginning of the movie, which is supposed to have taken place some time after the scene at the end of the movie.  Twisted Evil

Shinkai can be a cruel, cruel storyteller if you pay very close attention...


Spoiler warning (go no further if you haven't watched it)

Spoiler warning...

Spoiler ahead...

You asked for it...

What it implied by the beginning if you take into context of the ending is that there is a possibility Sayuri may be dead. The opening scenes show a matured Hiroki nostalgically visiting the factory, the open pastures; and a past Sayuri runs past him literally and exclaims, "An aeroplane!" and subsequently fading. If Hiroki and Sayuri were reunited at the end, the opening scene suggested that such a reunion was shortlived--even his best friend is absent. We can then take the title at its literal meaning: beyond the clouds a place promised, is an impossibility, a promise that will never be realised.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting! I've definately overlooked that first scene on previous viewings. Just rewatched the scene again and i'm not sure what to think yet. I'd like to think that it is before they finally finish the Bella Ciera and went to save Sayuri, because i think that throwing in the fact she died is a bit of an overkill after already having her lose all her memories.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow ... I've been meaning to watch this again ... but yeah, I never really picked up on that aspect. I had always got the impression that this was kinda a "in medias res" way to start the film.

I guess her dying could be on of the options. Their relationship could be short lived as well, as you say. In the back of my mind there's always been the question ... she lost her memories and awoke ... did she ever regain the feeling that she loved Hiroki again ? Or was it awkward once they landed the plane?

I'm definitely going to have to watch this again soon.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maltos wrote:
Very interesting! I've definately overlooked that first scene on previous viewings. Just rewatched the scene again and i'm not sure what to think yet. I'd like to think that it is before they finally finish the Bella Ciera and went to save Sayuri, because i think that throwing in the fact she died is a bit of an overkill after already having her lose all her memories.


It's probably not an overkill to think that way because Shinkai does probe you into that general direction of unknowingness. The only constant in Shinkai's films seem to be that of a general drift--anyone can have a correct interpretation as long as it fits certain aspects. It is something that anyone would have missed out on a first viewing I think.
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